I do believe in the power of money. I can’t say I’m a guy who doesn’t believe in it. I love making money, because business is about making money, and to succeed you have to be financially secure. What I am saying is that to make money, to create enough income to pay rent, to create income, to afford members of staff and to buy a coffee machine, it’s all based on finances, and it’s a side of the business you cannot ignore. Making money gives me a lot of drive.

I like formulas, I like knowing where I am standing with the figures in the shop. I like talking to my suppliers and I like a challenge. Because business wouldn’t be called business without it.

Money helped me to have home in the U.K. because I needed it for the deposit. Money buys me a ticket to go and see my mum, to see people I love — I care about, and money helped me to go and see places I like. I have lent so much money to my friends that I have never seen back. I don’t regret it because I hope the money they have consumed helped them to make some conclusions as well, and I hope they used money in the right way.

But I cannot say that money is the main drive in my life. It’s a secondary thing, or third, or fourth. There are a lot more things that stand forward of that. I never thought that business would come to that point, in terms of turn over. I could never have imagined those figures. Because when we opened the shop we had no financial experience — neither of us. And we approached business from the other side, we said “How many coffees do we have to sell?”